My Stance(Karla's) Part 2

3. 501(C)3

Bro. Bryan who lives in PA did a wonderful job on this and below is the link to part 1. I think there is 7 parts to this series. He is right on in these videos. I hope yall will watch/listen to all these videos. This is such an important issue in today's society.
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Government Churches In America aka 501c3

We have given up ground that the revolutionary preachers had fought against. They believed Christ was & is the head not the government.

Here's a series where Bro. Bryan explains what a free church is and how they operate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H8Tpu0xtOg&list=PL96DBFE109D84D05F
Now, it says how to start a house church but please don't get the wrong idea he is not against having services in a building that is not a house. Because it's the believers that are the church not the building.
3 things I disagree with him on is that I think If I remember right that he said they don't have an altar or a pulpit but those two are biblical! Another thing is I believe that families are to go sit together in church not be separated to go this class or that class. It's actually communistic to separate them from their parents...that's what the public schools do. That was the goal of the communist party(10 planks of communism) was to separate the children out from their parents. No where in the Bible is this seen. We do so many extra biblical things it's not even funny. We shouldn't worry about having all these activities to draw people in...what's with the gimmicks, seriously?

A good sermon on the Sunday school movement is,"The History of the Sunday School Movement," by Douglas Philips. There no longer is family integrated churches except a few here and there. They have bought into the lie that a child cannot understand what is being taught. If a child does not understand he can ask his parents and they can teach him. Sunday schools are more recent than they are ancient. Sunday school also separates the husband from his wife and vice versa because they believe they should teach someone else's child. Sunday school is putting your children off on someone else so they can baby sit your children. It's no one else's responsibilty to teach them except their parents. The children should already be trained how to behave in church. And people should get over a crying baby. Babies cry and you shouldn't let it bother you during the sermon. In the old days it wasn't a big deal. Everyone was in the same service together sitting with their families.


4. Church

Okay, so no where in the Bible do we see a public church. We always see believers meeting together to worship and fellowship. That there was a meeting place for believers to meet at and it was just believers. I agree with the closed church meaning it's not public to the lost but what if they wanted to come? Well, I was thinking what would one tell them? What about having a separate service on another day of the week. Maybe a Bible study for those who want to learn more about Jesus and his work on the cross, etc. Also, witnessing to people(that's what we see in the New Testament not necessarily soul winning because it's the Lord who does the winning & emphasis is placed on witnessing in the NT) and street preaching(done in a godly and biblical manner).

I'd like to add one more thing to the witnessing part that I mentioned in the paragraph above. Many people soul win but they don't usually have a friendship with these people. Why would someone wanna listen to you if they think you don't care about them? Words do not mean a thing unless they are backed by your actions because actions speak louder than words. Do you take the time to explain everything that you are telling them? A person also, witnesses by their lifestyle whether godly or not. And it will leave an impression on someone whether bad of good.

So, we should "invest" time with others (I don't recommend being alone with the opposite sex though so I'd probably leave that up to someone who is the same sex as the other person) and praying for them, of course.



Bus ministry- Our family was very much involved in the bus ministry at one time. We were like everyone else thinking this was great! But, I remember a guy I was in S.S. with and had been in the youth group together. This young man had said to my Dad once that in his grandpa's day there was no such thing as church buses. It was the member's who brought neighbor children with them and the children sat with them and spent time with their families learning how a christian family was supposed to be. I thought this was great when I heard it and I am not necessarily opposed to this way of doing things but don't you think it's odd that we are always aiming for the children(like the devil does with the public school system)? Why isn't it that we are going straight to the parents and trying to witness to them first? Think about if a child and that is if (because many make false professions at a young age(just like I did) because they haven't been called to be saved by the Lord) they are saved and their parents aren't they are going straight back to a pig stye.

We bring them in in masses and let them go in masses. Some might get saved but most won't. Revivals were taken outside opened to anyone and everyone. You invited lost people. It was away from the believer's meeting place. They are meetings out in the open air just like in the NT.

By the way, I should of included that there are a few that truly do get saved at a young age but not many. I have heard an awesome testimony by a missionary and I wish I could remember his testimony more clearly but I do remember how he made a false profession when he was 5 just because he saw his brother being bounce on his grandpa's knee and how his parents & grandpa were all happy for the very reason that his brother trusted Christ as his personal saviour. But, later on he was in a church service during the preaching and (he described exactly what was going on I just can't remember the details) the Lord started dealing with him. He then proceeded to tell his mama that he didn't feel well so they went into the foyer and sat. Guess what? He could still hear the preaching! He tried to get away from the conviction and it didn't work! Later on that night after everyone was home and in bed. The Lord was dealing with him again. He got up and knocked on his parents door and told his mama that he didn't feel good. So, she got him a glass of water and sent him back to bed. I think this happened again 1 or 2 more times then he finally told his mama what was going on and he finally surrendered and trusted Christ as his personal Saviour.

You see that was an exception that usually doesn't happen a lot. Most have not been truly called or their heart pricked at that age. I know or know of a lot that made false professions at a young age. They didn't have real understanding until they were much older. Some not till they are 12. For me it was at 19 years old. (Again, my testimony is on the left in side bar)

Youth groups- Yes, I once was in a youth group. Boy, oh boy isn't that a messy, dirty place to be. A hot bed of the pride of life, lust of the eyes, and the lust of the flesh. Wow. It doesn't have anything to do with building families at all!It separates the children from their parents. Youth groups produce cliques and worldliness. There are maybe a few people who might not succumb to it. The youth group I once was in at a big church has gotten worse and it was already headed that way when I was in it. There's nothing biblical about it so that is to be expected. It ends up being a social club and who's dating who. It also has to do with job security. To make sure they have a position in the church.


"Bible" colleges and colleges in general- Well, we never see these in the bible. We see Jesus telling the apostles to come follow him. And ya never hear about their education. Christians have taken the world's system of educating them and tried to make it christian. Christians ar ealways trying to christianize everything that was never meant to be christian. You go to bible college and alot fo times men will come out not believing that the King James is inspired but that it is just the best translation or that some other version is more superior because it supposedly is easier to understand which in most cases really is harder to understand. Really, these bible colleges are extra biblical. You don't have to go to them to learn how to do a sermon outline or how to preach or to learn bible. All one needs is the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. All one needs to do is ask the Lord how and what He wants him to preach. Why not ask Him to teach you how to write a sermon outline if that's what He wants you to do? Some men don't use notes or outlines nor do they know ahead of time what the Lord wants them to preach till the day of when they are close to the time of preaching. The best teacher is the Holy Spirit. Jesus said he'd send a comforter after he left. So, we aren't alone to figure things out on our own. What could be better than to sit at the feet of Jesus and learn? The next person or two one can learn from is one's pastor or one's father since the father is the leader of the home until the young man gets married meaning that the Bible says in Genesis 2:24," Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." See similar verses- Matthew 19:5, Mark 10:7, Ephesians 5:31. So, ya see it's all so very simple but we make it complicated. Now, they did do apprenticeship more than anything else. And so, that is biblical.

God is right and we are wrong when we do not follow His Book!

I hope this all makes sense and that I worded it in a way that would be understandable.

I hope that one would seek the Lord about the things I have said and ask the Lord to show them if their beliefs/convictions are correct and if they line up with the Bible.


Anchored in Jesus Christ,

Karla